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    JC

    Maybe I missed something, but I think someone misread this case. Under these facts, the only alternative open to the employer would be to delay payment of commissions until the sale "stuck" 28 days after the fact (something the Times would have been able to do). In that scenario, I could see salespeople having an issue with having to wait after a particularly good month (or after their first month) to receive a big check.

    As I read the case, the employer clearly notified all new salespeople of the practice. Isn't it common for California employers to advance commissions in the form of "draws" and later be able to reconcile them?

    Sorry, I don't see how this is out of line with prior California practice.

    M Walsh

    We didn't see the case as being "out of line with prior California practice," either. Aside from our "nobody loves the telemarketers" reference [is it the law that lawyers can't at least try to have a sense of humor?], we didn't mean to imply otherwise. The opinion made it very clear that "the agreement made the defense." This was not a radical departure of law. Rather, the court found that the agreement was enforceable because it is governed by existing law, namely, Korry of California and Agnew. ("When there is an express or implied promise by the salesman to repay excess advances to his principal, the salesman is obliged to repay the surplus ‘draws.’") The case is only new and exciting, or, at least, publishable, because it adds to the existing body of law a fact pattern and set of labels that is common, but which differs slightly from those of the prior published cases.

    JC

    Fair enough. Keep up the good work - I enjoy visiting the site. Lots of interesting material.

    Toby Harris

    There is a very serious problem with this errant ruling. Nobody seems to remember why theses labor codes were structured, to prevent employers from creating creditor/debtor relationships in employment agreements; and to avoid "company towns" or peonage which occured in the early part of last century.

    Labor code 221 was put in place to prevent employers from taking back monies from employees to prevent peonage, or contractual enslavement. The purpose of a job is for upward mobility, not debt servicing of normal corporate business loses that the employee has no responsibility for.

    This ruling sets back labor law 100 years, as employers are now allowed by the State of California to drive employees into enforceable chargeback labor debts that they have to pay off in future pay periods. This happening with the labor codes prohibiting it. Labor code 219a, 221, 224 prevents rebate of wages and setting aside these rights by contractual agreement.

    This is the problem with courts throwing politics and opinion into the court decisions when the courts really need to see what citizen laws and rights are being trampled. The California Appeals court has effectively wiped its ass with the 13th amendment in this opinion and hopes that nobody will notice. We noticed, and vow a supreme court appeal of this pro-corporate opinion.

    Toby Harris

    There is a very serious problem with this errant ruling. Nobody seems to remember why theses labor codes were structured, to prevent employers from creating creditor/debtor relationships in employment agreements; and to avoid "company towns" or peonage which occured in the early part of last century.

    Labor code 221 was put in place to prevent employers from taking back monies from employees to prevent peonage, or contractual enslavement. The purpose of a job is for upward mobility, not debt servicing of normal corporate business loses that the employee has no responsibility for.

    This ruling sets back labor law 100 years, as employers are now allowed by the State of California to drive employees into enforceable chargeback labor debts that they have to pay off in future pay periods. This happening with the labor codes prohibiting it. Labor code 219a, 221, 224 prevents rebate of wages and setting aside these rights by contractual agreement.

    This is the problem with courts throwing politics and opinion into the court decisions when the courts really need to see what citizen laws and rights are being trampled. The California Appeals court has effectively wiped its ass with the 13th amendment in this opinion and hopes that nobody will notice. We noticed, and vow a supreme court appeal of this pro-corporate opinion.

    TOBY HARRIS

    TV SHOW 60 Minutes has requested information on this case be sent to the editorial staff for review 3/4/05 for possible civil rights interests.

    This request is being fufilled.

    Toby Harris

    Chargeback legislation to be heard by the California State Assembly 4/20/05:
    Assembly Bill 1172 (AB 1172)

    http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/bills/leginfo.public.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_1151-1200/ab_1172_bill_20050407_amended_asm.html?billtype=ab&billnumber=1172

    Toby Harris

    Chargeback legislation to be heard by the California State Assembly 4/20/05:
    Assembly Bill 1172 (AB 1172)

    http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/bills/leginfo.public.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_1151-1200/ab_1172_bill_20050407_amended_asm.html?billtype=ab&billnumber=1172

    Toby Harris

    AB1172 was passed by the California State Assembly (4/20/05) and is now heading for appropriations. The California Newspaper Association has backed away from thier obsinate position on chargebacks, and may even be willing to compromise with employees. For up to date information on Assembly Bill 1172:
    chargebackconsultant.com

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